DBKP UPDATE
UPDATE on the DBKP UPDATE
The barrage of body parts continues in British Columbia, with the sixth foot washing ashore.
* Canadian Police Baffled: The Case of the Grisly Right Feet
* Canadian Police Still Baffled as Feet Keep Washing Ashore
A sixth human foot was found in the south coast of British Columbia Wednesday following the discovery of a fifth just two days earlier.
A Campbell River resident walking on a beach on Tyee Spit found the foot around 10 a.m. PT and reported it to police, the RCMP said.
"It was a right foot in a size 10 running shoe, RCMP Const. Annie Linteau said in a new release Wednesday afternoon.
Malone said the foot was clearly visible inside the shoe.
"I got the chills right away — really grossed out," Malone told the CBC.
UPDATE: 6:09 PM Thursday June 19 2008 The British Columbia Coroner's Service says a prankster is responsible for a sixth foot that apparently washed ashore on the south coast of the province. The latest foot was discovered Wednesday, when a woman walking along a beach near Campbell River, B.C., on Vancouver Island said she spotted some bones protruding from a size 10 black Adidas running shoe. Five other feet have been found in the Vancouver area since last August, including four right feet and a left foot. But the coroner's service says a forensic pathologist and anthropologist have examined the latest foot and it's actually an animal paw that was inserted into the shoe, along with a sock packed with dried seaweed. Wherever there are mysteries, hoaxes are sure to be close behind. |
This story is important in another respect. A theory:
"The object will ultimately be examined by a forensic pathologist in attempts to determine the source of the foot and if it is related to other feet recently found," Linteau said.
'This is too bizarre. One has to suspect criminal activity.'
Three years ago, a small float plane took off from Tyee Spit and crashed 10 kilometers away from where the foot was found Wednesday. Four of the five people on that plane remain unaccounted for.
Linteau said police are looking at the possibility that the foot found Wednesday could have belonged to one of the crash victims.
"We're exploring the possibilities that it could be people who may have been drowned. It could be missing fishermen. It could be the remains of people who may have died in a plane crash," she said."
But wouldn't the DNA have revealed this likelihood 11 months ago when the first of the feet was found?
But then from the same spokesperson, we learn this:
"The sixth foot turned up Wednesday -- a right foot in a man's size 10 black Adidas athletic shoe, police said. As in the previous cases, however, immediate answers as to the foot's origin eluded detectives.
"We are exploring the possibility that it could be people who may have drowned," said Annie Linteau, a spokeswoman for the Royal Canadian Mounted Police. "It could be missing fishermen. It could be the remains of people who may have died in a plane crash."
When asked about the suspicion of foul play, Linteau noted that the first four feet contained no tool marks and were therefore deemed not to have been severed.
It is too early to say how the foot found Wednesday was separated from a body, and Linteau did not address the question of how the fifth foot came to be detached.
"It is certainly a very unusual situation," she said. "We have to explore all avenues and investigate all theories."
Hmmmm. Little bit of hedging on the skeletal separation statements earlier released, which might be compatible with a plane crash. And there were 5 on the plane and six unmatching, at least so far, feet.
Something is going on here.
by pat
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* vancouver aerials
Sources:
* BC - Sixth Foot Found
* Some Prank
Crocodile Tears and Cow Flatulence
by Nancy Morgan
Right Bias
Our government is jumping aboard the global warming bandwagon in a big way. Ignoring any facts to the contrary, they continue to fuel a juggernaut that will result in more government, more taxes, more 'crises' and more useful idiots.
Even Republicans are on board, with John McCain turning green with a twist guaranteed to garner liberal votes. He's proposed a 'cap and trade' system (called redistribution of wealth) to help battle climate change. It used to be only liberals who had the hubris to think man can control climate.
Meanwhile, Democrats are crying crocodile tears as more Americans are paying more and more money for gas. And more and more poverty stricken countries are seeing food riots and starvation as a direct result of Democrats latest solution (ethanol mandates) to this faux crisis.
As Democrats gin up phony outrage at the designated villain, the evil oil companies, behind the scenes they are actively working to prolong this situation. The Senate just rejected a plan that calls for opening the Alaska Wildlife refuge and some offshore waters to oil development. A solution that, if not vetoed by Bill Clinton back in 1995, would now be supplying Americans with 1 billion barrels of oil a day. The Democrats instead, rely on ethanol mandates, even though it takes 1.25 gallons of gas to produce 1 gallon of ethanol.
Helping these Democrats along are their friends in the Interior Department, who just designated the polar bear as a threatened species because of the supposedly declining Arctic sea ice. Caused by, you guessed it - global warming. Now Democrats have moral cover for voting to keep vast areas of America's oil off limits to drilling. Very cool. As long as no one finds out that the polar bear population has actually tripled since 1960. Or that, while some Arctic ice is melting as it has been for centuries, other Arctic glaciers are expanding.
The Democrats got yet another reason to high-five each other. The Environment and Public Works Committee just voted out 'cap and trade' legislation that is expected to reach the House floor in a couple weeks. This bit of legislation, according to the EPA, will increase the cost of gas by $1.50 a gallon.
All this recent legislation will dramatically increase the already astronomical prices Americans are paying at the pump. This is the Democrat solution. And it is a solution. A perfect solution designed to make Americans more dependant on government. A solution designed to keep greedy citizens from buying SUVs. A solution that vests in government increasing power to legislate how we live, what we drive, what we eat and how and when we procreate.
These Democrat solutions have the added benefit of keeping alive the windfall taxes the government receives on each gallon of gasoline sold. As our elected officials propose a 'windfall tax' on oil companies to punish them for making a profit, the government is reaping three times the windfall profits they demonize the oil companies for.
We're talking mucho money flowing into government coffers. Money that Dems can use to fund ever more social engineering programs designed to alter our behavior to their specifications.
Another measure designed to prolong and extend the 'oil' crisis has just finished working its way though Congress. The Senate voted overwhelmingly to approve a five-year, $307 billion farm bill, despite a veto threat by Bush. Said farm bill, besides containing a few tons of pork, also retains the enormous subsidies paid to farmers not to grow food. Some farmers are actually foregoing these handouts as the market is now offering them more money to produce than our government is paying them to not produce.
Democrats will soon be jumping on the coming 'food crisis' with joy. They will demand even more control over the economy in order to save starving people. They will call on Americans to sacrifice (code word for more taxes) as a moral imperative. After all, people are dying. The government will be there to help. The fact that they are the ones that caused the crisis will again be ignored.
America is not alone in this gigantic scam. Other countries wholeheartedly endorse global warming. What better way to undermine the U.S., to say nothing of the massive proposed 'redistribution of wealth'. Global warming is the perfect excuse to legislate everything from population control, to obese people, (who are said to be causing the global warming crisis), to...well, just about anything a government wants to do. Any issue, any legislation can now be steamrolled to fruition under the wide umbrella of 'global warming.' Pretty neat, huh?
Just last week, Estonia farmers received a tax notice for methane emissions on their cattle. Yup. Estonia is now taxing cow farts in order to save Mother Earth. In way of context, Chile's Caiten Volcano recently released a gigantic cloud of emissions composed of steam, ash, smoke, and various gases whose estimated amount equals to one trillion cow farts. Just try taxing that.
With God being phased out of the public square, many Americans are left searching for higher meaning. The Democrats have provided them a perfect solution. Faith in Mother Earth as a religion. Faith that doesn't require facts. Faith that relies exclusively on whatever information elites decide to foist on a gullible public. Faith that willfully disregards the growing evidence that the earth started cooling ten years ago. Faith that labels as apostasy any facts that don't align with majority opinion (as defined by Democrats).
Guys, we're in trouble. The only solution I can see is massive doses of sunshine. Either that or start taxing the hot air issuing forth from 'elites' anxious to undermine our country for their own political ends.
by Nancy Morgan
Nancy Morgan is a columnist and a news editor for RightBias.com
She lives in South Carolina, where she writes "Culture Watch" weekly, as well as other articles.
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[NOTE: DBKP has examined the 'Megan Had it Coming' Blog and its last post, dated December 3, "I'm Lori Drew". We don't know who is behind the blog--Lori Drew or Internet troll.
However, we've asked Trench Reynolds, who has covered MySpace crime for the last eight years, to give us his opinion.
He makes some good points. Some we agree with, others: we're not so sure. But, he makes several of his points so persuasively, we thought you readers should get a chance to see them and decide for yourselves.]Hey everybody. My name is Trench Reynolds. Some of you may know me from my blogs about crime, TheTrenchcoat Chronicles and MyCrimeSpace. At the Chronicles I've been blogging since 2000 discussing school shootings and at MCS I talk about MySpace related crimes.
Mondoreb invited me to Death by 1,000 Papercuts (which is the greatest blog name ever) to express my thoughts on the Megan Meier story, specifically the 'Megan Had It Coming Blog'. As a lot of people have I've been following the story closely since it broke nationally. And just like most people I was horrified to read what happened to Megan Meier by people who were supposed to be adults.
When the identity of the Drews were made public by bloggers and commenters I decided that I would not post their names in hopes of not facilitating some kind of vigilante justice. Also I did not want to interfere with the investigation into whether or not criminal files would be charged. 
It was after I made that post that someone posted a comment about 'MHIC'. It was also on that same post that someone by the name of 'ANONYMOUS' was leaving comments in defense of Lori Drew and was leaving comments similar to the posts on 'MHIC'.
I conferred with a blogging friend of mine who is a cybersecurity expert and we both agreed that ANONYMOUS and MHIC were the same person. Of course the Internet being what it is a lot of people automatically assumed that it must be Lori Drew without doing any investigation.
Now that's not a dig at DBKP because their own investigation seems to be thorough. However whenever a tragedy like this breaks there's always people willing to take advantage of the situation in order to get some attention. That's what I think is going on with MHIC.
Getting back to ANONYMOUS the e-mail address used to place the comments at MCS traced back to the MySpace of 16-year-old African-American girl from Michigan. It is possible that the address was a fake that coincidentally belonged to this girl's MySpace. However once I made that fact public the MySpace in question disappeared.
The second thing that leads me to believe that MHIC is a fake was the IP address of ANONYMOUS. Every time someone posts a comment at MCS I receive an e- mail that has their IP Address in it. IP addresses are used to trace back to someone's Internet Service Provider (ISP). Through this information I can usually ascertain the person's relative geographical location.
ANONYMOUS' ISP traced back to Louisville, KY which is roughly 260 miles from where the Drews and Meiers lived. IP addresses can be spoofed but if the person really wanted me to believe they were Lori Drew and had the knowledge on how to spoof IP addresses they probably would have made the address trace back to Missouri and not Kentucky.
Lastly, which may just be wishful thinking on my part, after everything that has be relayed in the media and on blogs I'd like to think that Lori Drew would not be that callous or stupid to entitle a blog 'Megan Had It Coming'.
Recently Lori Drew's lawyer said that she had nothing to do with the blog. Mondoreb himself poses the question if it's a hoax why is still up because of Google's imitation rules. My answer to that is I think it's not really a high priority for Google. Not only that if it was Lori Drew I think her lawyer would have advised her to take it down by now which can be done as easily as clicking on a button.
Since civil charges are likely against the Drews I think since the blog is still up that the odds are in favor of MHIC not being written by Lori Drew.
More than likely MHIC was posted by a group of people just looking for the attention and to see how many people they can get to fall for it. In the end I could be wrong but that would mean that Lori Drew is really that stupid and callous and if she is I weep for humanity.
So what do you think?
Is 'Megan Had It Coming' the work of Lori Drew?
Or an Internet troll?
[Check out other Trench Reynolds reports on the MySpace Suicide story, as well as MySpace and school crime at TheTrenchcoat Chronicles and MyCrimeSpace. Crime buffs need to drop by for the latest.]
Death by 1000 Papercuts Front Page.
Two statements about the 'Megan Had it Coming' blog were quoted by Fox News. We present both, as well as some questions at the end.
Lori Drew, who signed a police statement in 2006 that she was the instigator of the fictitious Internet boy named "Josh Evans", and was involved in the MySpace hoax in the minutes before Megan Meier's suicide: her attorney, Jim Briscoe's statement:
"I can categorically say that she did not write it," Briscoe told FOXNews.com. "She has not said anything on the Internet, on any blogs, on any Internet sites."
Briscoe said that Drew, a neighbor of the Meiers, has purposely remained silent in the media and online during the investigation and since.
"That's part of why she's remained silent, so there's no confusion about that," Briscoe said. "Anything that's on the Web is not true. She hasn't done anything. She doesn't know anybody who's done it — anybody who's doing it or has done it."
And now a statement from Google, parent company of Blogger.com, which hosts the 'Megan Had it Coming'.
Blogger.com, which houses the blog and lists "impersonation" as one of the things banned from the site, said it has no information that would call into question the authenticity of the "Megan Had It Coming" site.
"We take violations of Blogger's policy very seriously as such activities diminish the experience for our users," a spokesman for Google, Blogger's parent company, told FOXNews.com.
"Once we are notified about a blog that impersonates a person, we act quickly to remove it. We have not received an impersonation claim to date from the individual allegedly being impersonated."
Questions we'd like to ask:
* Why is the blog still up?
* If it is true, as Mr. Briscoe maintains, that Lori Drew is not the blog's author, why hasn't Ms. Drew shut it down?
* If Lori Drew is not the author of the 'Megan Had it Coming' blog, she can have it shut down in a heartbeat by contacting Blogger. This has not happened.
Blogger.com says, they have "no information that would call into question the authenticity of the "Megan Had It Coming" site."
* Blogger.com has information on who created the blog. What does that tell us?
These are the questions.
We're patient. We'll wait for the answers.
What do you think?
by Mondoreb
Source: MySpace Mom Linked to Missouri Teen Suicide Being Cyber Bullied Herself
Death by 1000 Papercuts Front Page.
The St. Louis Post-Dispatch has fingered a culprit in the Megan Meier story.
And the guilty parties are--surprise!--bloggers.
The traditional press, ever mindful of mouthing ethics that fall far short of what they actually practice, is again pointing a finger at their Internet brethren.
Joel Currier, the P-D writer seems upset that readers, upon reading Megan's story, became upset. The Post-Dispatch can hardly direct their ire at readers, having lost over 10,000 of them over the last year, so bloggers are not only handy, but also a logical target.[1]
Besides, bloggers most likely don't read the Post-Dispatch anyway.
Why's Joel so upset? We'll let him explain.Rage against Curt and Lori Drew of Dardenne Prairie continues to explode on the Internet — targeting the couple and people who did business with them.
So: there are people upset with the Drews. This is unpardonable. Joel quotes a few of the merchants, who are upset at being contacted by people learning of their association with Drew's Ad Vantage advertising company.
Bloggers want justice for Megan Meier, 13, and vengeance against the Drews, whom they blame for Megan's suicide last year.
Dozens of names and phone numbers of businesses that advertised in Lori Drew's coupon book have been posted online with demands to boycott their establishments.
Many of the companies have canceled their advertising contracts with Drew and received letters saying Drew is folding her coupon business.[2]
He then moves on to Drew's lawyer to support his thesis. The reporter in Mr. Currier surely knows that someone's attorney may not be the final word in objectivity.
Doesn't he? Jim Briscoe, the lawyer representing the Drews, told the "Today" show on Tuesday that Lori Drew has had to close her advertising business and her daughter has dropped out of school after the publicity and investigation into Megan's suicide. Briscoe also said it was not clear whether the Drews would be able to continue living in their Dardenne Prairie neighborhood, four doors down from the Meier house.
One admires Jim Briscoe. His job of presenting Lori Drew as a sympathetic figure is not an easy one. But he gets paid to do that job.
Drew "absolutely, 100 percent" did not know that Internet messages to Megan had become nasty, Briscoe said. Drew did not write any of the MySpace messages that preceded Megan Meier's suicide in October 2006.[2]
Joel Currier gets paid to do another job.
And today he earned his pay decrying the reactions of readers--of bloggers. He quotes another harried small businessman.Stein Hunter, 49, the owner of the Crooked Tree Coffee Shop in St. Charles, says he sees irony in the way people are using the Internet to harass business owners in order to get back at the Drews.
"The issue is harassment," Hunter said. "And they are harassing people."
An expression of opinion is many things to many people. To Mr. Hunter, it's harassment; it must certainly seems like it to him. But then, Mr. Hunter brews coffee: he doesn't report the news.
Another expression of opinion in the Post-Dispatch came from Currier's colleague, Jeff Gordon, sportswriter, about the Cardinal's Scott Rolen. "Rolen's gotta go," writes Gordon today. But no piece on whether Rolen agrees with that opinion or feels harassed. Or whether his livelihood might be affected.
And Rolen didn't conduct a six-week hoax on a 13-year-old girl; all he's apparently guilty of is pouting and frowning.
There's more of the same from Joel Currier in his story; anyone wanting to read it can check out the article; it's listed at the end of this post.
One could do a simple check--we did--to find that most of the phone numbers, personal information and posting of advertisers came from readers of blogs, not the blogs themselves. Whether in comments tagged onto the end of posts, in forums or in emails, readers were almost universally outraged.
Why were readers outraged?
That was simple enough to check also. They were upset that a 46-year-old woman would concoct an elaborate scam on a 13-year-old girl suffering from depression. They were upset that, in Drew's own words, "she, with the help of a temporary employee named "Ashley", constructed a profile of 'good-looking' male on 'myspace'".
They are upset that when "the communication became 'sexual for a 13-year-old', Drew--again in her own words--continued the fake male profile despite this development.[3]
They became upset at a traditional press, which had long published the names and personal information of anyone targeted in frivolous lawsuits or cases where people were arrested for offenses, large and small(and later the charges were dropped), clammed up when it came to an Internet hoaxer.
And now, those same readers appear to be upset when reporters attack the one vehicle they had for expressing their anger: the Internet and the bloggers who chronicle there.
This isn't the first time this has happened. It's one of the reasons that TV ratings and circulation figures continue to tumble for the gatekeepers in the traditional media: poor and unresponsive customer service.
One suspects this won't be the last time.
by Mondoreb
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Sources:
1-FAS-FAX Numbers from the Audit Bureau of Circulation
2-Internet Fury Mounts in Megan Case
3-What Lawyer said in 2007, What Lori Drew said in 2006
Death by 1000 Papercuts Front Page.
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A comparison of a few of the statements made by Lori Drew in November of 2006 and the statements made by Jim Briscoe, Drew's lawyer, on the Today Show earlier today.“Everything, as far as Mrs. Drew knew, was that all the communication was nice and polite and there was no harassing going on,” Briscoe said. “She did not create the MySpace account. She did not instruct anybody to create the MySpace account. She never made any communications through the MySpace account.”
--Attorney Jim Briscoe"She did not instruct anybody to create the MySpace account. She never made any communications through the MySpace account.”
--Briscoe
"Drew stated that in the months leading up Meier's daughter suicide, she instigated and monitored a "my space" account which was created for the sole purpose of communicating with Meier's daughter."
--From the police report above.
Are there any discrepancies between what Lori Drew stated in the police report in November 2006 and what her lawyer said in December 2007?
Or do they jive?
As always, we'll present both and let the readers decide.
Compiled by Mondoreb
[images: smokinggun]
Sources:
Lori Drew's Lawyer: Drew "Knew of Hoax, Didn't Stop It"
Smoking Gun - Megan Meier Police Reports
COMPLETE Megan Meier, Lori Drew, MySpace Suicide Coverage:
DBKP: Megan Meier MySpace Suicide Stories and Videos List
Death by 1000 Papercuts Front Page.
Attorney of woman in MySpace hoax
From Lori Drew's lawyer, Jim Briscoe:
* “She knew these girls were doing it and she didn’t stop it,” attorney Jim Briscoe told TODAY’s Matt Lauer during an exclusive interview Tuesday. “She wishes she did. If she could turn back the clock, that’s the part she would do differently.”
* “Everything, as far as Mrs. Drew knew, was that all the communication was nice and polite and there was no harassing going on,” Briscoe said. “She did not create the MySpace account. She did not instruct anybody to create the MySpace account. She never made any communications through the MySpace account.”
Megan, who was 13 when she took her life, had entertained thoughts of suicide before and was on medication for Attention Deficit Disorder and a bipolar condition.
* “At that time, when those messages happened, Mrs. Drew was not in the residence, she did not know these things were happening,” Briscoe told Lauer. “She didn’t find out that these negative comments happened until after.”
* “Mrs. Drew has had to close her advertising business because people have been attacking her advertisers and they want nothing to do with it,” Briscoe said.
* “Her friends and neighbors are afraid to talk to her because they don’t want to be attacked next. Her daughter has had to drop out of school because of the harassment. Living in the neighborhood may be impossible in the future. It’s a terrible situation.”Drew has yet to speak publicly about the events leading to Megan’s death in October 2006, and Briscoe’s appearance on the show was the first time anyone has presented her side of the story
So Lori Drew's version is now public, and it is that she is a victim.
Interesting.
Source:
MSNBC - Attorney: Woman didn’t know about online taunts
Compiled by Mondoreb
Death by 1000 Papercuts Front Page.
Part III on the continuing debate that broke out on the blog "Megan Had it Coming" between the blog's author--who first claimed to be "Kristen" and then yesterday published a post "I'm Lori Drew"--and readers who read and commented.
Is it really Drew? We don't know yet. We're still trying to find out though.
In the meantime, read and then decide.
--BREAKING: Drew's Lawyer: Drew Knew, Didn't Stop It-Video Report
Compiled by Little Baby Ginn
notes: Mondoreb
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Sources:
Comments - Megan Had it Coming - "I'm Lori Drew"
DBKP - Lori Drew or Internet Troll?
DBKP - A Conversation Between Lori Drew and Internet Commenters
DBKP - Lori Drew Author of 'Megan Had it Coming' Blog?
MEGAN MEIER, LORI DREW, MYSPACE SUICIDE LIBRARY:
DBKP MySpace Suicide Library
Death by 1000 Papercuts Front Page.
Lori Drew or Internet Troll, Part II
The conversation still rages between the author claiming to be Lori Drew, Internet hoaxer, and readers of the blog, "Megan Had it Coming".
After posting twice as "Kristen"--the first on the weekend when most of the country was just learning of the Megan Meier story--today the poster wrote "I'm Lori Drew". This touched off a war of words with readers of the post.
The author claiming to be Drew says the main reason for revealing her identity as "Kristen" is that her daughter is having a tough time of it from the other kids at school. She says it's time for this harassment to stop.
Is the author of "Megan had it Coming" and Lori Drew one and the same person?
We don't know; we can only hazard a guess. We've given our best guesses elsewhere and they're referenced at the end of this post.
---BREAKING:
Drew's Lawyer: Drew Knew, Didn't Stop It VIDEO REPORT
One thing's for sure, the author of Megan Had it Coming is not backing off from her critics. Here's Part II. The blog author ('Lori Drew') is identified in the following as "Megan Had it Coming"
leigh said...Lori, I for one believe you that this thing went out of control. I do. I don't believe for one second that you wanted, or intended, for Megan to harm herself, for what it's worth.
Anonymous said...
But if you fire a gun in a crowded theater and the bullet hits and kills someone, aren't you responsible? Even if killing someone wasn't your intention?
I have two daughters, and have--as any other mother of daughters has--encountered kids who were mean and hurt my kids' feelings. On those occasions where my girls were unable to deal with the mean kid, I forbade contact, and I spoke with the parents.
You should never, ever have set up that "Josh" account, and I suspect you know that. You knew Megan was troubled--you knew that from direct experience. So you must have known that humiliating a troubled 13-year-old girl would be tantamount to setting a match to a pre-existing fuse.
You know how hard children take things--you've seen it in your own daughter. You know how irrational kids can be. You know how important acceptance is to an adolescent, how excrutiatingly painful rejection is. You know, and knew, all of this, and you engineered a trap to do serious psychic damage to a child.
This is why you're incurring so much ire.
The decent thing to do would be to stop justifying your actions and to offer a genuine apology to Megan's family.
December 3, 2007 11:08 AMYou have all these issues with Megan, Megan's parents, etc..
Anonymous said...
And yet, you still have them hold a Christmas gift for you in their garage?
I don't buy anything your saying.
December 3, 2007 11:11 AM After reading all of your blogs, it is clear, as someone else mentioned, that your behavior closely resembles that of a sociopath. There is a certain arrogance to your writing that completely illustrates that type of persona. You have no conscience, so it is futile to try to convince you of your wrongdoings, but Karma is a bitch, and, I believe you certainly deserve whatever backlash you receive as a result of your actions. I can only hope your husband is a more responsible parent than you, otherwise, I fear for your daughter's upbringing.
Anonymous said...
December 3, 2007 11:16 AMTwo fake online identities, bullying a teenage girl, starting a blog called "Megan Ha It Coming," and then defending your actions. Lady, actions have consequences and your poor decision making has lead to people giving you a hard time (ironically) on the internet.
Megan Had It Coming said...
December 3, 2007 11:16 AMThe police are your second step
How can you say that? The police can't do anything in a dispute between two 13 year olds. I would have been laughed out of the police station if I had come with the complaint, "a child is setting up a cyber bullying attack against my child."
As we all know, there weren't any laws about cyber bullying back then. What Megan did was subtle and devious, but it wasn't anything the police could act on. That's why I took this into my own hands. I had to do SOMETHING, and simply separating the kids wasn't enough. Megan was coming after my daughter ONLINE. So instead of continuously running away from this bully, we fought back. No one could have guessed it was going to end so tragically.
On those occasions where my girls were unable to deal with the mean kid, I forbade contact, and I spoke with the parents.
I DID THAT I DID THAT I DID THAT! How many times do I have to spell it out? It's here in the post, I'm stating it again, get it through your head -- I'M NOT A BAD PARENT. I did what any parent would have done. I tried to resolve it amicably, but the Meiers wouldn't have any of it, and Megan wouldn't listen. What other choice did I have??? If Megan wasn't systematically spreading hurtful things about my daughter online and causing massive grief, separating them would have been the end of it. But this is the internet age we live in. Separating the kids is NOT ENOUGH. Maybe your daughters didn't have to deal with the internet. Mine does.
The notion that "Megan Had It Coming" is loathsome. The rationalizations in this newest post are loathsome. But how can we be sure this is really Lori Drew speaking? I'd like to know . . .but, what evidence would be conclusive?
December 3, 2007 11:18 AMRusty said...
Wow.. I just saw this story online and after hearing both sides of the story and reading hateful comments from both parties I am baffled.Anonymous said...
Megan killed herself. It's her fault, not anybody else's. People get harassed all the time and bullying is a natural human behavior, not one of you can say you have not encountered bullying throughout your childhood. If it is anybody's fault it is the fault of her parents for not keeping a close eye on their clinically depressed daughter. She had just told them about the harassment she was encountering on the internet and they let her carry on.
Of course that doesn't mean Lori isn't immature and irresponsible for messing with a 13 year old, but it was in clear defense of her own daughter and I don't even consider her actions harassment. The only harassment I saw were the comments left by Megan's peers once they got control of the account.
Sorry to quote Lori Drew the "monster" of this whole mess but seriously people, give it a rest, multiple people share blame but the most obviously goes to Megan for being the cause of her own death.
December 3, 2007 11:18 AM
Just stop justifying.
You are a bad mother. A helicopter parent. You created this hell for yourself and your daughter and you JUST DID IT AGAIN! You put Sarah at risk because you can't just stop playing with fire.
Ashley is under psychiatric care because of your choices.How many more lives are you going to ruin? You have ruined Curt's, and Sarah's and Ashley's. Why don't you figure it out?
You know you did. You need to APOLOGIZE. You keep making it worse.
You also need to grow up. This little 'monster' was a child. Still a child. You are egocentric in your actions and deeds and are still doing it.
I hope your family is safe, because with you at the helm...you just keep steering them into danger.
December 3, 2007 11:19 AM
Megan Had It Coming said...
And yet, you still have them hold a Christmas gift for you in their garage?Anonymous said...
Have you ever lived in the suburbs? Even when you don't like people, you still try to maintain friendships. We ultimately didn't like Megan. We did like the Meiers despite a few of their choices. Yes, I asked them to hide a secret gift for me. No, I couldn't just go over and ask for it.
December 3, 2007 11:20 AM
Have you ever lived in the suburbs? Even when you don't like people, you still try to maintain friendships. We ultimately didn't like Megan. We did like the Meiers despite a few of their choices. Yes, I asked them to hide a secret gift for me. No, I couldn't just go over and ask for it.Megan Had It Coming said...
More choices you make, that come back to haunt you.
December 3, 2007 11:22 AM
You know, and knew, all of this, and you engineered a trap to do serious psychic damage to a child.Entity said...
WHY????? WHY WONT YOU READ WHAT I WROTE???????? I didn't set up a TRAP for anyone. It was an attempt to find out what Megan was doing online. I was trying to protect MY DAUGHTER FROM A CYBER BULLY. I tried to find a way to gracefully back out without hurting Megan but once we found out just what Megan was up to, it got out of control too quickly. There was no way to predict that Megan would react this way.
Kids get cyber bullied all the time. They go to their rooms and cry for a day then they go to school and life gets back to normal. That's what you expect any child, even a depressed child, to do. You never expect them to kill themselves.
December 3, 2007 11:23 AM
Do you honestly not see why you are wrong and the Meiers are right?Megan Had It Coming said...
You killed Megan.
Not intentionally, of course. No one thinks you did it intentionally. You act as if the media giants are painting you as a killer--no, they are painting you as someone who would stoop to the level of a 13-year-old to combat one. You, a grown adult, would use the same bullying tactics that a middle-schooler would use.
Which, as you admit, is entirely true.
But unintentional homicide is still manslaughter, Mrs. Drews. No, forget the title. As you have been acting like a teenager, I will address you as one--Lori.
GET THIS THROUGH YOUR HEAD, LORI. YOU DID NOT DO WHAT A REASONABLE PARENT WOULD HAVE DONE. YOU ARE WHAT YOU ACCUSE THE MEIERS TO BE--UNBALANCED. YOU RESORTED TO THE SAME EXACT TECHNIQUES AS MEGAN--YOU, A GROWN ADULT, WHO SHOULD KNOW BETTER.
If you were a reasonable adult and parent, Megan Meiers would still be alive today.
You are the unbalanced one, Lori, and the one who deserves to be locked up.
December 3, 2007 11:25 AM
Thank you, Rusty, for re-introducing a sane perspective in this.December 3, 2007 11:25 AMAnonymous said...
Have you ever lived in the suburbs? Even when you don't like people, you still try to maintain friendships. We ultimately didn't like Megan. We did like the Meiers despite a few of their choices. Yes, I asked them to hide a secret gift for me. No, I couldn't just go over and ask for it.Anonymous said...
Sorry, don't buy it. You probably had a number of other options for hiding the Foosball table (e,g, in your business office). Also, this act usually requires one to proactively ask for the favor (its not like your neighbors would volunteer to do so)
December 3, 2007 11:25 AM
You're a monster and by now, with you and your daughter growing closer (which I'm sure it only because she's a social outcast now), she's a monster too. I hope you're happy.Anonymous said...
December 3, 2007 11:26 AM
Yes, I live in the suburbs, but no, I don't associate with idiots.December 3, 2007 11:26 AMAnonymous said...
WHY????? WHY WONT YOU READ WHAT I WROTE???????? I didn't set up a TRAP for anyone. It was an attempt to find out what Megan was doing online. I was trying to protect MY DAUGHTER FROM A CYBER BULLY. I tried to find a way to gracefully back out without hurting Megan but once we found out just what Megan was up to, it got out of control too quickly. There was no way to predict that Megan would react this way.anon said...
By giving the password to the account to your employee? How was that bowing out gracefully?
Having conversations that were sexual for a 13 year old? How is that monitoring for cyberbulling?
Take responsibility for it, Lori. It is the only way it is going to go away.
December 3, 2007 11:27 AM
Lori, have you ever heard of "turn the other cheek" and "take the high road"? Do you have any Christianity in your life at all?! If not, I strongly urge you to find God. No one is taking your side on this because no one would do what you did, what you condone. Face it, you're wrong. Plain and simple. Wrong.Megan Had It Coming said...
Your actions were childish and immature. Your daughter has to learn to fight her own battles, the right way, not your way. You've shown a remarkable lack of sound moral judgment. I pray that your daughter sees the wrong in all this and never does anything like this again.
I believe you owe the Meier family a heartfelt apology.
December 3, 2007 11:27 AM
If you were a reasonable adult and parent, Megan Meiers would still be alive today.
It's not fair to put that on me. I didn't know Megan would kill herself. No one suspected Megan would kill herself. If you blame me then you have to blame Megan's parents, too. They were closer to Megan. THEY WERE HER PARENTS. And she still managed to kill herself. What does that say? Does it say they're bad parents, too? No. It says that no one could have predicted Megan's suicide. Not Tina, not Ron, not me.
This is a horrible tragedy. But I'm no murderer.
December 3, 2007 11:28 AM
The comments keep coming, the author keeps fighting a rearguard action.
Some have already dismissed this as the work of an Internet troll. If it is, it's a very elaborate troll, one who timed his posts to cleverly coincide with when Lori Drew might have felt the need to speak.
DBKP took screen shots of both the blog posts and the comments from the very beginning. From the moment the blog appeared, we've monitored it and its readers. We've also made a few attempts at discerning the identity of the author.
If the author really is Lori Drew, wouldn't a better forum have been to contact us, or another blogger/press outlet to tell her story?
That fact argues against the blogger being Lori Drew.
However, little in this story of hoax and re-hoax have made good sense to the disinterested reader.
Is this Lori Drew?
We've made attempts to reach Ms. Drew. We're still trying. In the meantime, we'll present this online debate.
And as always, we'll let you read and make up your own minds.
by Mondoreb & Little Baby Ginn
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A Conversation Between Lori Drew and the Internet?
Lori Drew Author of 'Megan Had it Coming' Blog?
No Justice For Megan
Death by 1000 Papercuts Front Page.
Franklin Foer's article finally admitting the problems over the Baghdad Diaries' Scott Beuchamp was a painful read.
TNR's behavior is perfectly understandable: after all, after their past journalistic mishaps, who'd want to yet admit to another?
I mean, come on: if TNR was a drunk and had this many relapses, they'd have signed up for Antabuse a long time ago.
THE really hilarious part of this whole sorry story is knee-jerk reaction of the usual suspects: the Fiercely-Independent, Principle-Driven Left Wing Blogosphere.
Ferocious fact-checkers to a man, they could be counted on to guard their reputation as those who check the facts and deliver the truth to their readers.
What "truth" did they deliver?
We now let you dip your toe into the left-wing pool of truth concerning TNR and Private Scott Beuchamp's Baghdad Diaries.
Okay, we could go on like this for a long time, but we've got to move on, much as I'm sure the above stalwart Left Wing Warriors will do on this particular issue.
From Crooked Timbers: (with kudos for "Longest Introductory Sentence" on the Left.).The rightwing blogosphere, with assistance from the usual MSM types like Howard Kurtz has spent the last week or two trying to discredit a soldier, Scott Beauchamp, who wrote a “Baghdad Diary” for The New Republic, which included various examples of casually callous behavior on the part of US soldiers (nothing on the scale of Abu Ghraib or other proven cases).
The Beauchamp case fits the general pattern pretty well. First, the wingers claimed that the Diary was a fabrication and that “Scott Thomas” was the creation of a writer who’d never been near Iraq. Then, when it became evident he was a real person, they rolled out the slime machine to discredit him. Then they engaged in amateur forensics to discredit particular items in his account (acres of screen space have been devoted to the question of whether the driver of a Bradley fighting vehicle can run over a dog).
--One Endless Rathergate
Digby thought the behavior of anyone wanting to know if a story is true or false is--well, we'll let him explain.After a tremendous amount of wingnut pressure on TNR to prove they hadn't been duped by an imposter, now that they know he does in fact exist, they are working their way into a complete frenzy going after this soldier as if he were al Qaeda and acting as though the hawkish New Republic has just endorsed Cindy Sheehan for president. It's like watching a bunch of piranhas attack some kids who accidentally fell into the water.
The ever-hopeful John Cole, at Balloon Juice, starts with no facts, but proves it's not going prevent his leaping into the fray against the lunatics attacking SCB.
It certainly should not have have garnered this vicious right wing attack from everyone from Bill Kristol to the lowliest denizens of the right blogosphere. They want to destroy this soldier for describing things that have been described in war reporting since Homer so they can worship "the troops" without having to admit that the whole endeavor is a bloody, horrible mess that only briefly, and rarely, offers opportunity for heroic battlefield courage (which, of course, it sometimes does as well.)
--Digby: Wingnuts vs. Our Soldiers (Scott Thomas Beuchamp Edition)Let’s discuss Scott Beauchamp, who was widely regarded as not existing, but who now exists- much to the chagrin of the lunatic fringe of the right wing blogosphere.
I guess we know why he didn’t put his real name on it- it is FRENCH sounding! Of course he wants us to lose! The VICHY have infilitrated the ARMY!
--Open Thread July 26, 2007
Nicolle Belle at Crooks and Liars on the Weekly Standards' "besmirching":Max Blumenthal looks at the “reliable” sources that the Weekly Standard used to try to besmirch Scott Beauchamp: Matt Sanchez and Throbert McGee.
DailyKOS didn't fail to disappoint: their usual M.O. is up next. What fun! No facts, no problems. When short of hard info, trot out some invective--the usual substitute for facts.
And yet they still get a national platform.
--Reliable SourcesThe RW bloggers went crazy, accusing TNR of making things up, and in their typical fashion "proving" that Scott Thomas was a fake. Scott Thomas turned out to be real, which led to the normal character assassination from the RW.
Firedoglake couldn't really add anything about verifying Beauchamp, but they get to say "hate speech" and "Republicans" in the same paragraph, so it wasn't a total loss.
--The "Scott Thomas" Affair: The Right Wing Wins Again
The Left Trifecta is the previous two, plus "Hitler" in the same paragraph. It took them another couple paragraphs to work the Feurher into the mix. They do get partial credit for "frothing", though.The nameless fellow(s?) and good friend of Michelle Malkin's behind the right-wing blog aggregator Volunteer Opinion Journal thinks he's caught us all being naughty. Pretty mild stuff, compared to what his comrades were and are saying about Scott Thomas Beauchamp (for more, go here and here), but hey, you work with the "hate speech" you have, not the hate speech you wish you had -- such as what regularly issues from the posts and comments over at Michelle Malkin's shop. These people are the Republican base, and as TRex points out, this is precisely why the Republicans don't dare do a YouTube debate in which their base has any sort of say: It would hand the presidential election to the Democrats the same way that Pat Buchanan's Republican-pleasing froth-at-the-mouth speech at the 1992 Republican National Convention guaranteed that Bill Clinton would be our next president.
--Hypocrite Much, Guys?
They were noticeably absent from comment on the affair yesterday.
Probably too busy with their next piece about Hitler-like Michelle Malkin frothing hate speech about Left Wingers.
by Mondoreb
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Other sources:
The New Republic -Fog of War
Confederate Yankee - TNR Folds
The New Republic Tries to Come Clean
Hot Air - TNR: We Can No Longer Stand by Beuchamp's Stories
Patterico's Pontifications - The New Republic Retracts Beauchamp Stories
Death by 1000 Papercuts Front Page.
30 quotes from the people involved in the Megan Meier MySpace Suicide story and the media.
Megan, the 13-year-old daughter of Ron and Tina Meier, was the victim of harassment by "Josh", a boy she'd met at popular social site, MySpace. Upset at his messages, she hung herself.
"Josh" was later found to be a hoax, the fictional creation of Curt and Lori Drew, neighbors who lived down the street from the Meier's. "Josh" was created to by Lori Drew and her employee to monitor what Megan might be saying about the Drew's daughter after the two girls had a fight.
"Megan Meier is a slut. Megan Meier is fat."
--bulletin posted at MySpace by "Josh"
"Everybody in O'Fallon knows how you are. You are a bad person and everybody hates you. Have a shitty rest of your life. The world would be a better place without you."
--Josh's last message to Megan, according to Ron Meier's best recollection
"They are all being so mean to me."
--Megan Meier, to her mom, on the day of her death
"I grabbed her as she tried to go by," Ron says. "She told me that some kids were saying horrible stuff about her and she didn't understand why."
--Ron Meier right about what happened right before Megan took her life.
"She did sit here in my living room and confess everything to me. She told me that they had pulled an image of a boy off the Internet and that they had created an account using the name of Josh Evans, and she said she knew the last message that left her house that Monday when Megan attempted her life was that, 'The world would be a better place without you".
--an unnamed neighbor about how she learned Lori Drew was behind the hoax
"That is what makes it even more disgusting, that she knew the circumstances around our daughter and still played on it,"
--Ron Meier, Megan's father
“These people were supposed to be our friends.”
--Tina Meier, about their neighbors, the Drews
"Give it a rest. Give it a rest."
--Curt and Lori Drew, reportedly to the Meiers, when confronted by the Meier parents
"You cannot as an adult sit there and do that and hide behind a computer. It is a criminal act. We want to see her go to jail,"
---Tina Meier, Megan's mother, about Lori Drew
"It's time that we do something against this. On all levels, the state
and federal level,"
--Dardenne Prairie Mayor Pam Fogarty, on the need for stricter laws for Internet harassment
"Coincidentally, two months after Megan's suicide, the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) reported that antidepressants double the risk of suicidal behavior in young adults. (Psychiatrists have disputed the FDA report.)"
--Jeff , from a post at "Megan's Vigilantes"
"We were concerned about the daughter [of the Drews] and to what extent she was involved and dragged along with this."
--Dave Bundy, editorial director of Lee Enterprises, the newspaper group that includes several papers who broke the Megan Meier story; on why his papers decided not to name the Drews.
"She [Lori Drew] is not being accused in a court of law, she is not being sued and our take is that we don’t run suspects unless charges are filed."
--Steve Pokin, reporter who wrote the original Megan Meier story.
"I posted that — where Curt works. I'm not ashamed to admit that. Why? Because there's never been any sense of remorse or public apology from the Drews, no 'maybe we made a mistake.' "
--Trevor Buckles, 40, a neighbor whose two teenage boys grew up with
Meier.
"We're all in shock. If I have anything to say about it, we'll never have our hands tied legally like this again."
--Mayor Fogerty
"There are enough details for people to find out who it is on their own. They are free to do so. It was a judgment call. I think there were a lot of other issues at stake."
--Pokin, on his critics for his not revealing the Drew's name in his stories.
"We believe that all the publicity about this situation has led to an air of vigilantism. We're concerned people will take things into their own hands."
--Lt. Craig McGuire of the St. Charles County Sheriff's Department
“Give me a break; that’s nothing. But it’s the most we could do. People are saying to me, ‘Let’s go burn down their house.’”
--Mayor Pam Fogarty said of the penalties imposed by the town of Dardenne Prairie, MO on cyber harassment. It's now punishable by up to a $500 fine and 90 days in jail.
"Ms. Drew used the same same exact mode of operation as a child predator enacts in the seduction of a child. Drew posed as a member of the opposite sex and spent weeks and weeks luring this girl into a relationship. But yet it went further. The adult Drew formed a heated relationship with the 13 year old girl. She worked hard to gain the girl's confidence. She exploited the girl intimately by posing as a boyfriend. Do you really thing there was no intimate grooming going on?"
--online comment by DanCnKC
"Oh and I don't think Lori Drew is so evil as everyone says. Megan was a total bitch to everyone around her especially Laura so if I was her mom I would be mad at Megan too and I would check up on her to see what shit she was spreading about my daughter."
--"Kristen", author of "Megan Had it Coming" blog.
"Lori Drew is a psychopath. That part is clear. But more disturbing than that are the actions of authorities: If it had been an adult MALE that "carried on" in a sexually explicit way with a 13 year old girl, even if it WERE for the purposes of revenge for his teen daughter, he'd be locked up as a pedophile."
--online comment by Danny Vice
"Every story has two sides and if you don't think so - then I hope you are never tried and convicted in your own court."
--JennaD, from a comment posted on "Megan Had it Coming" blog
"All we feel is frustration, anger. For months, we've been asking ourselves, 'What mother in her right mind would do this? And why won't the cops do anything to punish them? We just want them gone."
--neighbor Kristie Kriss, of the Drews
"The woman emotionally raped this child. She took her supposed love and sexual stimulation and crushed the girl emotionally with them. This girl was mentally raped [by] a mother and her employee. This adult and her friends played this girl into an emotional high... and then pulled the plug when it would inflict the highest possible damage. It took 4 months of planning."
--online comment by DanCnKC
"So nobody in the news talks about what Megan the bitch was like so now you know. Oh and don't bother trying to figure out who I am. Unlike Megan, I DO have a boyfriend and he knows computers and he totally covered my tracks."
--"Kristen", author of "Megan Had it Coming" blog
"Lori Drew groomed her victim like many child predators do, enticing her with flirtation, mild sexual conversation and playing on Megan's weakness. Lori knew that Megan had a low self esteem and was treated for depression.
Outing Child Predators has been public policy in most states and is usually upheld under the premise that the public has a right to reasonably protect itself from criminal behavior where it exists. Families with children have a right to know when those who might prey upon their child, live nearby. Public policy dictates that if a child is exposed to potential harm from predatory activity, then parents should at least have the opportunity to be aware such harm may exist."
--online comment by Danny Vice
"It's not to say if only Megan (spoke out/did this/did that/reached out), it's to say there has to be more positive and supportive role models out there for our youth.
The parents can only do so much. My solution: it's time to stop the "code of silence." It's time to not be afraid to speak up when something is wrong."
--online comment by Jo
"Megan's story really won't matter; some writers will bend it to fit their preconceived point of view. It'll not be about Megan to them: it'll be about using her as a tool to advance their cause. Laws for regulating the Internet; for stricter controls on what can be said online; to raise money; that any negative reactions are 'vigilantism'; for more money for suicide prevention: take your pick.
They'll all invoke the name and story of Megan Meier. To most of those, she'll cease to be a 13-year-old schoolgirl: she'll be a slogan."
--RE Bierce, commenting the first week of the story on future likely reactions.
“There are no words to explain my rage.”
--Tina Meier
by Mondoreb
Sources:
Parents Want Jail Time for MySpace Hoax Mom - ABC News
New York Times - A Hoax Turned Fatal Draws Anger but No Charges
Missouri Weeklies That Broke 'MySpace Suicide ' Story Still Won't Name Alleged 'Cyberbully'
-Editor & Publisher
Megan's Vigilantes blog
Megan Had it Comingblog
"Frontier Justice in an online World?"- Seattle Times
"Megan Meier MySpace Suicide: Reactions to the Reactions" - Death by 1000 Papercuts blog
Weekly Vice blog
"MySpace Cruel Hoax Leads to Teen's Suicide" - Death by 1000 Papercutsblog
DBKP.com - Bigger, Better!.
Death by 1000 Papercuts Front Page.
by Mondoreb & Little Baby Ginn
Death by 1000 Papercuts Front Page.
You are absolutely unbelievable. An absolute piece of work. I hope you spend the rest of your life alone and destitute.
December 3, 2007 11:29 AM
I hope someday you realize that you instigated this situation. Your post did nothing but convince people that you are ruthless and immature. You hurt someone. And she was so hurt that she ended her life. One of my family members committed suicide, and it is something that I will never cope with. It's not a car accident, it's not cancer....someone was so SAD and helpless that they took their own life. You need to realize that you pushed someone that was vulnerable!
December 3, 2007 11:29 AM
Having conversations that were sexual for a 13 year old? How is that monitoring for cyberbulling?
GODDAMN YOU I AM SO SICK OF THIS LIE! I didn't engage in anything sexual. Megan tried to initiate sex talk and I backed away from it. I NEVER ENGAGED IN ANYTHING LIKE THAT. So stop spreading this lie.
December 3, 2007 11:29 AM
It's not fair to put that on me. I didn't know Megan would kill herself. No one suspected Megan would kill herself. If you blame me then you have to blame Megan's parents, too. They were closer to Megan. THEY WERE HER PARENTS. And she still managed to kill herself. What does that say? Does it say they're bad parents, too? No. It says that no one could have predicted Megan's suicide. Not Tina, not Ron, not me.
Lori, a drunken driver does not intentionally set out to kill a carload of prom going teens. He is just driving home. That doesn't make him any less responsible.
December 3, 2007 11:29 AM
GODDAMN YOU I AM SO SICK OF THIS LIE! I didn't engage in anything sexual. Megan tried to initiate sex talk and I backed away from it. I NEVER ENGAGED IN ANYTHING LIKE THAT. So stop spreading this lie.
Heavy makeout sessions? Not a lie, honey. You may not want to see it this way...but it doesn't change what it was.
December 3, 2007 11:31 AM
Okay--place the suicide completely aside for now.
You baited and misled a depressed 13-year-old for weeks, eventually culminating in an emotional collapse.
Murderer? No, you're a torturer.
December 3, 2007 11:31 AM
Fine, you didn't mean to kill her? Do drunk drivers mean to kill people?
It doesn't matter if your malicious intent was to just make her miserable or to push her off the edge, you still did it. Show some regret you heartless woman.
December 3, 2007 11:32 AM
You not only victimized a girl who is the same age as your own daughter, you victimized someone who you KNEW was suffering from mental illness. What's wrong with you???? You are a child abuser...I just have to wonder how innocent your daughter really is, was she being bullied by other CHILDREN, was she an innocent victim, or does she take after you? Kids have a way of working out their differences for themselves, it's a part of growing up....are you going to fight all her battles for her, pick her husband for her, sleep with him too? You are a dangerous woman and no child should ever be allowed near you...including your own! The high school called Mrs Drew, they want their robe back..your youth is over, you can't get it back living through your daughter!
December 3, 2007 11:32 AM
One of my family members committed suicide, and it is something that I will never cope with. It's not a car accident, it's not cancer....someone was so SAD and helpless that they took their own life.
I'm very sorry for your loss, but you have to understand that Megan suffered from clinical depression for which she took medication. Her depression wasn't psychological, it was chemical. That means there is truly no way to know WHY she killed herself. Maybe it was the final myspace comments. Maybe it was her own mother ignoring her. Maybe she skipped her medication recently. Maybe that FDA warning that anti-depressants can have suicidal effects on children and teens should have come out a couple of months earlier. You can't place blame on others when someone commits suicide.
December 3, 2007 11:33 AM
Lori, a drunken driver does not intentionally set out to kill a carload of prom going teens. He is just driving home. That doesn't make him any less responsible.
Bingo.
Do you want the world to stop hating you?
Apologize, instead of defending yourself through pointing the blame at a 13-year-old. Apologize to the Meiers. Admit that you were wrong, horribly, terribly wrong, and that had you acted like an adult, none of this would have happened.
That's a start.
December 3, 2007 11:35 AM
You baited and misled a depressed 13-year-old for weeks, eventually culminating in an emotional collapse.
DID YOU NOT READ THE PART WHERE I TRIED TO LET HER DOWN EASY? You don't know it was an emotional collapse. No one can know why Megan killed herself. Maybe it was the myspace comments. Maybe it was the cold reaction from her own parents. Maybe it was her medication. YOU DON'T KNOW SO STOP PUTTING IT ON ME.
December 3, 2007 11:35 AM
Lori, you are delusional. You've spent six weeks trying to come up with a way to justify your sociopathic, vindictive behavior, and this is the best you can do?
Lame. Just plain lame.
It's all lies; delusional lies that you tell yourself so that you can sleep at night. You're mad at the world? Is that what you said? And to retaliate against the world, you right a blog called "Megan Had It Coming" and you call the child a slut?
Lame, lame, lame.
You really are a child predator. They always blame the victim, too. "That two year old SEDUCED ME. I had no choice but to molest her."
Megan was posting annonymous stuff through OTHER PEOPLES blogs? But you JUST KNEW IT WAS HER?? She's a demon seed....she's a slut...she's a BAD GIRL!
You are a deviant.
Have a shitty rest of your life. And your little dog, too.
December 3, 2007 11:35 AM
Letting her down easy would have been to just say, sorry, can't be friends anymore, or sorry, I'm moving away, or to just delete the account altogether. Instead, you had to be mean about it.
I don't think you intended to let her down easy at all.
December 3, 2007 11:36 AM
You can't be this stupid....really.
December 3, 2007 11:37 AM
a drunken driver does not intentionally set out to kill a carload of prom going teens. He is just driving home. That doesn't make him any less responsible.
This isn't like driving drunk. It's not even close. I worked to PROTECT MY DAUGHTER FROM A CYBER BULLY. There's was no way to know that Megan would kill herself. None. Not even the Meiers could predict or prevent it and they were HER PARENTS.
I'm not a murderer.
December 3, 2007 11:37 AM
What could have possibly possessed you to start this blog? I realize that you have serious mental problems, but where is your husband or your lawyer?
Is there no function adult in your life who is there to tell you how entirely ill-advised this blog is?
December 3, 2007 11:37 AM
First!
December 3, 2007 11:37 AM
I'm very sorry for your loss, but you have to understand that Megan suffered from clinical depression for which she took medication. Her depression wasn't psychological, it was chemical. That means there is truly no way to know WHY she killed herself. Maybe it was the final myspace comments. Maybe it was her own mother ignoring her. Maybe she skipped her medication recently. Maybe that FDA warning that anti-depressants can have suicidal effects on children and teens should have come out a couple of months earlier. You can't place blame on others when someone commits suicide.
You admit you knew she was depressed. How sad for you.
Lori, you aren't helping. Say sorry to them! Say sorry to your family. Say you are sorry to Ashley.
It is wrong, and she is gone. You didn't delete the account after it got sexual. You didn't do it. You didn't walk away. You kept going.
You are modeling this behavior for your very impressionable daughter. Teach her to own up to her mistakes. Be a good mom, and show her how you can take responsibility for her words and deeds. Be a good mom, and show your daughter the right way to do it.
December 3, 2007 11:38 AM