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Rudy Guiliani makes a campaign stop and was confronted by the Troof. Saturday.

“A group of 9/11 conspiracy theorists heckled Republican presidential front-runner Rudy Giuliani as supporters booed and chanted "Rudy" at a campaign stop in Loveland, Colorado Saturday.

Jason Charles, a member of wearechangecolorado.org, accused the former New York City mayor of having prior knowledge of the attack on the World Trade Center and covering up evidence that would have shown a conspiracy.

"He covered up criminal evidence that was on the scene," he said.”
-- The Denver Post

At today’s quick stopover in Loveland, Colorado, Rudy Giuliani had yet another run-in with a small group of conspiracy theorists, or “Troofers.” Giuliani said that the Troofers were “protesting all over the place” and referring to the 9/11 accusations, “It is very sad; it’s not true.”

Giuliani was also asked about his involvement with former New York City Police Commish Benard Kerik and Giuliani’s recommendation of Kerik to head the Department of Homeland Security.

“I made a mistake,” Giuliani said. "I apologized for the mistake, I should have vetted him more carefully. I have done many things; that doesn't mean I made all the right decisions," he said. "Do I do everything right? No. Do I learn from my mistakes? Yes."

As to the Troofers accusations that Giuliani “covered up criminal evidence that was on the scene.” The conspiracy theories as to what “really” occurred range across a broad spectrum of crackpot assertions from Rosie O’Donnell’s claim that “fire does not melt steel” to the accusation that the Bush government and/or Rudy Giuliani were behind 9/11.

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Rudy Giuliani vs. Ron Paul on 9/11. [video 4:34]

If you put up a Ron Paul video, you hear both sides, you read both sides--there seems to be no middle ground on Dr. Paul. No comments or emails are ever received which say "Oh, I don't know how I feel about Ron Paul".

I hear people swear by Ron Paul; I hear others swear at him.

So, putting up any video invites attacks, even though most posters are passionate, yet perfectly civil. We thought this video would be a good illustration of the "No Middle Ground About Ron Paul" Theory. It's the famous exchange between Paul and Rudy Giuliani at the South Carolina debate earlier this year. It's the entire exchange: most anti-Paul videos cut away at Giuliani's applause. The pro-Paul videos we've seen only show Ron Paul's answer to Rudy.

At 4:34, this is the entire back-and-forth between the two men. Your position on the issues will naturally affect who you think came out on top here.

You be the judge.

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Ron Paul's Foreign Policy: In the Nutshell, In his Own Words

The Four-Minute Ron Paul: Love Him or Hate Him

If you have heard others arguing about Republican candidate, Congressman Ron Paul (R-TX), you will likely hear two different extremes.

"Ron Paul is a the real deal American!"

"Ron Paul is a kook!"

Paul, a Republican with strong libertarian leanings is most controversial on issues of U.S. foreign policy. Most especially his stand on the War in Iraq. Dr. Paul--he is a medical doctor--wants to end U.S. involvement immediately and return American troops home. This stand has earned him supporters from both Left and Right.

It has also earned him condemnation, mostly from the center and right. There seems to be no middle ground.

On other issues, he has a less controversial image.

This video is a chance to hear the candidate in his own words, answering questions about U.S. foreign policy on a variety of topics. It's short (3:45) and sweet. It is Ron Paul's foreign policy views in the nutshell.

It is also Ron Paul in his own words. All killer, no filler. Other than the questions, no media interference or bias, either.

It covers 9/11, Iran, Rudy Giuliani, the Middle East and the U.S. military. You will either love this or hate it. But it is unedited and Paul in his own words.

You be the judge.

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1st Round DBKP Cage Match Action!

Rudy "The MAYOR Of MAYHEM" Giuliani
Vs.
Duncan "DUNKIN' DEATH" Hunter


The Setting: The Death by 1000 Papercuts Polit-O-Drome
The Announcers: Mondoreb & Little Baby Ginn
The Rules: 3-question Texas Death Debate Style

MONDOREB:Welcome to the DBKP Politodrome and today's Giuliani-Hunter 1st Round Match. It's a full house for DBKP Political Cage Match action. Scalpers were getting $400 a ticket outside the arena. That's $158.09 in 1980 dollars, in case you were thinking "tickets were a lot cheaper back in my day".

LITTLE BABY GINN:I was too young to count in 1980. I hadn't hit my prime yet. But the Mayor of Mayhem looks to be in his prime today--prime fighting shape. He really looks dangerous today, Mondo. "Dunkin' Death" Hunter is a decided underdog, but look for him to hammer Giuliani on the social issues. If Rudy has a weak spot, that'd have to be it.

MONDO: The referee today is Mayor Mikey Bloomberg of New York City. Bloomberg was originally scheduled to be a Cage Match participant, Ginn, but as you know, came in heavy at the weigh-ins and didn't make the weight.

GINN: I talked to someone in the Bloomberg entourage this morning. They said the mayor's problems stemmed from one too many waffles.

MONDO: Oh ho! Waffles? It'll be interesting to see the Clinton weigh-in tomorrow. We're just about ready here for the first round to begin.

[DING! DING! DING!]

DUNKIN' DEATH Hunter:
Illegal aliens continue to funnel directly into many of our local communities and adversely impact our way of life by overwhelming our schools, inundating our health care system and, most concerning, threatening our safety.

MONDO: Hunter starts with an illegal alien punch.

The MAYOR Of MAYHEM Guiliani:
I had 400,000 illegal immigrants, roughly, in NYC. And I had a city that was the crime capital of America. I didn't have the luxury of political rhetoric. So I said: If you are an illegal immigrant in NYC & a crime is committed against you, I want you to report it. My policies led to a city that was the safest large city in the country, so they must have been sensible policies.
Source: 2007 GOP debate at UNH, sponsored by Fox News Sep 5, 2007

GINN: The Mayor slips the punch and catches DD in a Safe City Scissor. Wow! What footwork!

DUNKIN' DEATH Hunter:
"If I have a judicial candidate in front of me who can look at a sonogram of an unborn child and not see a valuable human life, I will not appoint that candidate to the federal bench."

Ginn: Rudy's hit and he's hit hard! Hunter fires off a Human Life Haymaker and catches the Guiliani squarely in the stomach! The mayor might be in trouble here. It looks like he's having trouble breathing!
Mondo: Not as much trouble as a 2nd-term fetus, Ginn.

The MAYOR Of MAYHEM Guiliani:
I believe the best way we can have common ground in this debate that you're hearing is if we put our emphasis on reducing abortions and increasing the number of adoptions, which is something that I did as mayor of New York City. But I think ultimately that decision that has to be made is one that government shouldn't make. Ultimately, a woman should make that with her conscience and ultimately with her doctor.
Source: 2007 GOP Iowa Straw Poll debate Aug 5, 2007

Mondo: Giuliani got out of trouble, but he's still hurt.
Ginn: Yeah, Hunter's gotta be feeling pretty good now; he's still in this thing.

DUNKIN' DEATH Hunter:
In September 2007 I voted "Yes" for a bill in which schools forfeit funds if they expose kids to gay propaganda."

MONDO: Hunter's going for it all! The Gay Pride Pretzel! Rudy's gotta be thinking this is a drag!

The MAYOR Of MAYHEM:
My decision to reduce funding for the Brooklyn Museum of Art after it
displayed sexually explicit cutouts and a portrait of the Madonna defiled with elephant dung was hysterically opposed by the New York elite. The politically correct never envisioned that people could in good faith have a difference of opinion about whether public money ought to be used to desecrate a religious image. There was an important First Amendment issue at stake. I believed that the mayor should never have the right to stop anyone from making a statement of any kind. People have a right to free expression. If they were to create offensive art on their own property, using their own funds, and someone were to attack them for doing it, the mayor would
be obliged to protect them, and so would the police. But I believe there is a difference between protecting someone's right to desecrate a religious image and being required to fund that desecration using tax dollars from the very people it offends.
Source: Leadership, autobiography by Rudolph Giuliani, p.225-226 Oct 1, 2002

GINN: A stunning comeback! Giuliani pulls off a Religious Icon Kamikaze! Truly magnificent!
Mondo: I have to agree, Ginn. Everybody loves an underdog and Hunter showed surprising power here today. But you have to hand it to Rudy. His ability to slip Hunter's big punches was key. Still, it has to be closer than most people expected.
GINN: And now the judges' decision and I'd like to remind our viewers that the judges decisions are FINAL!


[JUDGES DECISION: Rudy "The Mayor of Mayhem" Giuliani" over Duncan "Dunkin' Death" Hunter 2-1]

GINN: Rudy the winner! He'll take on the winner of Mitt "The Maulin' Mormon" Romney and Mike "The Heartless" Huckabee in the Quarterfinals. That's it for this Round 1 action. Rudy came out on top. Be sure to be here for our next match: Hillary "Cacklin'" Clinton vs. "Invisible" Mike Gravel.
MONDO: Until then, have a safe trip back home.

Duncan Hunter's thunderous offensive quotes were supplied by Duncan Hunter quotes
On the Issues
Contraception.about.com


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The latest polling news is grim for Rudy and the Republicans: they get crushed by the Clinton fashion juggernaut.

Polls say that in a match-up between Rudy in drag and Hillary Clinton in a peach pants suit with navy blue scarf, voters prefer Hillary by almost 20%. If Giuliani changed his outfit to a more presidential Brooks Brother suit, likely voters indicate that the gap is more than cut in half to 9%--if the suit is a dark blue.

This according to the latest Zogby Poll.

Of course, that's Fred Zogby, the guy down at the Limestone General Store who said he'd check this out for us. Fred completed his research and dropped it off while on his way to town. When told that there was no hurry, Zogby responded "People have a right to know."

Fred was partly motivated by the latest news from Pew Research and the analysis from Politico

One year before voters go to the polls to select the next president, the Republican Party is as weak as it has been in a generation, a detailed new poll suggests.

In a hypothetical match-up between Hillary Clinton and Rudy Giuliani, bloc after bloc of traditionally Republican voters break for Clinton:

She wins the South. She polls evenly with voters who attend church at least once a week. She splits families with a household income above $100,000. She loses rural voters and men — but only by a narrow margin.

The findings from The Pew Research Center for the People & the Press remain preliminary, considering even the primaries are still two months off.

Dire news indeed for early November--in 2007.

Back to our Zogby. He indicates the poll has a statistical margin of error of plus or minus 14%, depending on time of day asked and number of beers consumed by the respondents. He was quick to point out that these results might not reflect the moods of Americans on Election Day 2008, seeing as how that's over a year away.

But they're probably as accurate as their more-scientific brethren at this point.

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Rudy Giuliani wants to do for the U.S. as president what he couldn't do for New York City as mayor: reduce illegal immigration within three years.

More on a man with a plan by the New York Daily News:

If elected president, Rudy Giuliani wants to do for illegal immigration what he did for crime in New York City - reduce it dramatically within as little as three years.

"It can be done. It is not impossible," Giuliani told an Iowa town hall-style meeting on Wednesday night. "You can do this, you can stop them at the border."

To get the job done, Giuliani said he would boost the number of border patrol agents to 18,000 from the current 12,000 - much like he increased the size of the NYPD as mayor - and build a physical and "technological" border along the U.S.-Mexico border.

"If you do this for two or three years, you'll change behavior," Giuliani said. "If people come to the border and figure they can't get in, they'll stop."

Giuliani has been touting his illegal immigration plans since last summer, but his pledge to put a time-limit on dealing with the problem - considered among the most complex on the domestic front - is a more recent addition.

The generally-friendly tone of the article addressed a concern of many in the last paragraph.

Giuliani - who as mayor was considered among the most immigrant-friendly executives in the country - has stopped short of calling for the deportation of all illegal immigrants, saying deporting 12 million people is an unrealistic goal.

But he has called for the immediate deportation of all illegal immigrants who commit crimes.

So Rudy's joined the chorus of those strawmen-builders who keep addressing a question which has never been brought up by anyone except themselves:

"Can we deport all the illegals?"

He's spent considerably less time addressing his record as mayor on this problem and his support of sanctuary laws then on the books and any attempt by city officials to change them.

Giuliani doesn't require a dressing-down on this problem, but the insistent questions remain until he answers them; brushing them aside whenever they are raised or changing the channel won't satisfy those want to know.

The question of an ID card, and whether there will ever be such an animal remains for a later date.



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